If this is true I hope he recovers. I am suprised that what he went through did not take its toll eralier on him. His modesty, humilty and patience despite the adversity has surely helped him over the years. Get well soon Ray, you are deeply loved by thousands of us who read C0C and wept.
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Ray Franz has had a stroke
by coffee_black injust setting the record straight.
there is another thread that notes a claim on wiki that said that ray has died.. he had a stroke yesterday, and is in the hospital.
he is still alive.
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Which talk is the one on "Generation" ?
by AuntBee inis it the last one on sunday called "remain in the secret place of the most high" ?
it's not apparent from the titles.
thanks..
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Acts 1:7 -"It is not for you to know about dates or times, which the Father has set within his own control" (NEB) Works for me - I won't be there to listen to the "Overlappers Myth"
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Has anyone had a WT literature burning party?
by lepermessiah ini keep staring at the bookshelf full of wt literature in my house and keep having visions of a red-orange glow as the flames crawl higher and higher.
my goal is to gather it all together, douse it with lighter fluid, and watch it go!.
ultimately, i dream of my wife being the one who strikes the match and joins me in the celebration.. has anyone had that experience?
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I did what Zombie Dub did: Recyled. it was great to see it sitting there - all four bags. I did not want to burn it and become complicit with those found at Rev 11:18
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Aug 15 2010 WT - 3rd Study Article - Are they Serious!
by Simon Morley inparagraph 17 states: "how should we respond when rumors about fellow believers are circulated by gods enemies?".
what about: "how we should respond when rumours about fellow believers are circulated by fellow believers?
my family was continually a victim of sewer level slander (not even gossip that resulted in murder - not physical but a character assassination.
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White Dove: I agree, that's why I am out. I don't have to expose myself or my family to such abuse that is left unresolved. Classic - the victime suffesr more than the offender. I can tell you that since leaving my health has improved dramatically - being out not in. I will search for your post - I appreciate you letting me know where to look!
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Circ. Ass. Last Weekend...oh boy!
by tresdecu inso i had to suffer through the ca last weekend, it was rough at 1st, i was actually sick to my stomach the night before, fortunately my little boy kept me occupied during the session and i got to walk around a lot.. the do cracked down on 'true christians' watching vampire movies aka....twilight.
i know this series is hugely popular with a lot of teens and 20somthings, even a young elder and his wife (mostly the wife) are really into them.. he said true christians just don't watch such things.
haha.
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Anything that involves you spending money that otherwise should be going to the WBT$ they will condemn. Consider in the US if 10% of R&F went to see just one such movie a year = 100K x $25 = $2.5 Million!!! That is what they see - the value proposition nothing more, nothing less.
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Aug 15 2010 WT - 3rd Study Article - Are they Serious!
by Simon Morley inparagraph 17 states: "how should we respond when rumors about fellow believers are circulated by gods enemies?".
what about: "how we should respond when rumours about fellow believers are circulated by fellow believers?
my family was continually a victim of sewer level slander (not even gossip that resulted in murder - not physical but a character assassination.
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Paragraph 17 states: " How should we respond when rumors about fellow believers are circulated by God’s enemies?"
What about: "How we should respond when rumours about fellow believers are circulated by fellow believers?"
My family was continually a victim of sewer level slander (not even gossip that resulted in murder - not physical but a character assassination. We simply had enough and stopped going and putting our health at risk.
Recommendation of the elders ' turn the other cheek, there will always be gossip, continue putting up with one another in love" I am not sure about others on this board but in 25 years I was part of this sham I was never exposed to so much gossip, slader and petty jealousy from those I associated with in the so called "world". Quite frankly, if a non-Dub said something I had the choice to not associate with them anymore - not allowed with the R&F Dubs - keep on loving one another.
I have a fairly high profile job in the community and I came in contact with many people from all walks of life - yet never have I had to deal with what I did with the Dubs - because non-Dub's simply do not get off on purient scatalogical interests that seem to give Dub's their jollies.
I am so glad I do not have to sit through this drivel anymore.
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I want to be appointed as an Elder while I am still posting here, will Holy Spirit prevent me?
by african GB Member injust curious.. has anyone successfully tested the 'power' of the holy spirit by being appointed even though they were not zealous jw's?.
once i get appointed, i'd resign within a week.
'coz i would'nt stand jc's and df'ing people..
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I agree with cantleave:
1) HS has squat to do with appointments. I just heard that a "Dexter" loving, alcholic masturbator just got reappointed after 2 years out. The reappointment had nothing to do with the aformentioned "issues" which only a few of us in my family know about. I would literally vomit if I heard he is giving parts on the need to avoid violent shows, moderate use of alchol and self control.
2) JC's are soul destroying. If there is one thing that stresses me out its knowing I was part of a sham that destroyed peoples lives. I am seriously thinking of seeking all those I can and apologizing. At least I had some staisfaction being part of appeal committees that over-turned a few stupid decisions.
Don't bother - there are better things to do with your time than dealing with issues fron inside goldfish bowl which is where you and your family will be put - either that or under a microscope. Add to that the wasteful so called "brief" elder meetings, having to take time off when the CO comes, Elder Schools held at the one time in the year whn you can actually get a break from things - Xmas. I could go on and on......
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What Stupid Things Were You Counseled For?
by minimus ini've always been told that i have a very good personality, that i'm humorous, etc.. one elder called me over and said that i was "smiling too much".
the other elders talked to the elder who counseled me and he came back to say that i should be like i was .
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Blondie: One did (whom I got along with after that very well) - the other (who never liked me and was always on my case) just cleared his throat and nodded in tacit agreement. It was suggested that I go to the sister and explain which I disagreed with. I suggested to the miserable one that he go back and explain as she came to him. "Seemingness of adultery" - sure found in 2nd Corinthians 14...
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What Stupid Things Were You Counseled For?
by minimus ini've always been told that i have a very good personality, that i'm humorous, etc.. one elder called me over and said that i was "smiling too much".
the other elders talked to the elder who counseled me and he came back to say that i should be like i was .
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I was counseled for the "seemingness of adultery" - a fake bipolared, fibromyalgied, chemical sensitive, nod at every talk statement sister saw me having lunch with a woman whom I was seen hugging and giving a kiss on her cheek. After letting the "two" elders prattle on for about a 1/2hr (yes, they dove right in, not even giving me a chance to say anything) about the dangers of allowing these things to go to far I told them that it was my cousin visiting from the US - we had lunch at a hotel before she headed out to the airport. Had the sister been that bit more observant she would have seen my wife in the car out front, whom had left the lunch about 15 minutes before to get our car to take her to the airport.....I am sooooo glad that I am now 1 month away from being inactive and not having been at at meetings for 5 months as well.
There are topics and posts like the ones posted here that have me asking - why was I such an idiot to get my family involved in this? I consider myself a reasonably smart individual - but I must have been brain-dead in the early 80's - residual effects of a misspent youth and drugs in the 60'70's?
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Highlights from Circuit (2 days) Assembly Be Afraid Very Afraid!!!
by tjlibre inthe content of the program presented at the circuit assembly: safeguard your spirituality served as a re-affirmation that the wt/gb is loosing the grip of rank & file.
they are becoming boulder and boulder in their blatant use of mind control techniques; in my opinion, their mind control techniques used to be more subtle.
but the content of the program in this past assembly clearly reflected that they are acting out of frustration and desperation.
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"If you are Single: stay single, don’t preoccupied yourself looking for a mate.."
So I would say that here is a fullfillment of bible prophecy at 1st Timothy 4:3,4?